Temple Agama case women prist சரியா? Sekarreporter whatsapp debate full details partipants judge and eminent advts

[6/13, 08:59] Sekarreporter1: K. Chandru Former Judge Of Highcourt: “ அனைத்து சாதியினரையும் அர்ச்சகர்களாக நியமிப்பதோடு பெண்களையும், திருநங்கையரையும் நியமிக்கவும்; மாநில மாவட்ட ஆலோசனைக் குழுக்களில் ஆதிதிராவிடர்/ பழங்குடியினர் மற்றும் பெண்களை உறுப்பினர்களாக நியமிக்கவும் ஏதுவாக சட்டத்திருத்தம் செய்யவேண்டும் “ https://www.sekarreporter.com/k-chandru-former-judge-of-highcourt-%e0%ae%85%e0%ae%a9%e0%af%88%e0%ae%a4%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%a4%e0%af%81-%e0%ae%9a%e0%ae%be%e0%ae%a4%e0%ae%bf%e0%ae%af%e0%ae%bf%e0%ae%a9%e0%ae%b0%e0%af%88/
[6/13, 09:04] Sekarreporter1: [6/13, 09:02] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Why only temples sir. Why KC J doesn’t talk about other religious places. I expect more from some obe retired from the temple of justice. Is this not crow catching.
[6/13, 09:03] Sekarreporter1
[6/14, 07:50] Sekarreporter1: Women trained in Agama Sastra to be allowed as priests: Tamil Nadu minister While neighbouring Kerala too was not known for any such formal government move to allow women priests for gender equality, both Tamil Nadu and Kerala have many temples — especially subcultural deities — with women priests. https://www.sekarreporter.com/women-trained-in-agama-sastra-to-be-allowed-as-priests-tamil-nadu-minister-while-neighbouring-kerala-too-was-not-known-for-any-such-formal-government-move-to-allow-women-priests-for-gender-equality/
[6/14, 08:13] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 08:11] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 08:10] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: https://www.dtnext.in/News/City/2015/12/17095721/Take-priests-as-per-Agama-rules-Supreme-Court.vpf [6/14, 08:11] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: It is small press report from seshamal judgment. Post this sir [6/14, 08:12] Sekarreporter1: Supreme Court’s Constitution bench in the Seshammal case judgement held that archakas’ appointment was a “secular function” abolishing “next-in-line of succession” appointments. But the court also made it clear that appointments, even if non-hereditary, should conform to the temple’s current practice, meaning that archakas from a specific “sect, denomination or group”, have to be appointed. This practice had to be followed. https://www.sekarreporter.com/6-14-0811-sekarreporter1-6-14-0810-advt-k-jagannathan-https-www-dtnext-in-news-city-2015-12-17095721-take-priests-as-per-agama-rules-supreme-court-vpf-6-14-0811-advt-k-jagannathan-i/
[6/14, 08:49] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 08:47] Chandrasekar Kumar Associate: Minorities right should be protected. So muslims and Christians should be appointed as Archakas in Temples
[6/14, 08:47] Chandrasekar Kumar Associate: Secular country
[6/14, 08:57] Sekarreporter1: http://ancientindianwisdom.com/vedas-and-vedic-system/vedas-and-agamas/twin-streams-of-hinduism-agama-and-nigama

It is a good reading…
[6/14, 10:38] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 10:37] Mohamad Rafic Eb: Regarding Seshammal judgement …
Priest.Agama Rules … Gender Equalities …

Any laws or rules that are opposed to Art 14 and Gender Equalities cannot be legally or Constitutionally sustained by Supreme Court….
Even there are several judgements of Supreme Court hit by Peri Incuruim…

There cannot be any vested rights with any person or group of particular sect in doing public duty or public office by virtue of any practice…
Several such practices in different religions were held to be unconstitutional by the same Supreme Court in many Larger benches and Constitutional bench..
[6/14, 10:38] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 10:56] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 10:48] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: All these notices will fade away like Sabarimala case.. see what happened before elections. LEFT PARTY APPOLOGIZED TO PEOPLE.. will not allow women in age group….
[6/14, 10:48] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: No judgment spoken about women being priests
[6/14, 10:49] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Only Noice.. will not stand legal scrutiny..
[6/14, 10:57] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 08:59] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-women-still-cant-be-priest-3bdcad94325be16ee2993f61eb17c5a0
[6/14, 08:59] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Sir post this
[6/14, 10:48] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: All these notices will fade away like Sabarimala case.. see what happened before elections. LEFT PARTY APPOLOGIZED TO PEOPLE.. will not allow women in age group….
[6/14, 10:48] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: No judgment spoken about women being priests
[6/14, 10:49] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Only Noice.. will not stand legal scrutiny..
[6/14, 11:02] Sekarreporter1: https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-women-still-cant-be-priest-3bdcad94325be16ee2993f61eb17c5a0
[6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Srimathi Advt Mhc: refer Shirur Mutt case
[6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: .
[6/14, 11:14] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:11] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Srimathi Advt Mhc: refer Shirur Mutt case
[6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: .
[6/14, 11:09] Srimathi Advt Mhc: The result, therefore, is that in our opinion sections 21, 30(2), 31,55,56 and 63 to 69 are the only sections which should be declared invalid as conflicting with the fundamental rights of the respondent as Mathadhipati of the Math in question and section 76(1) is void as beyond the legislative competence of the Madras State Legislature. The rest of the Act is to be regarded as valid. The decision of the High Court will be modified to this extent, but as the judgment of the High Court is affirmed on its merits, the appeal will stand dismissed with costs to the respondent.
Appeal dismissed.
[6/14, 11:10] Srimathi Advt Mhc: however Strangely once again the hr&ce 1959 was passed
[6/14, 11:12] Srimathi Advt Mhc: very interesting of Sri.rafic to observe seshammal case hopefully soon we will see female Kazi and Pope . Equally in all religions women should be treated equally and allowed to lead prayers
[6/14, 11:22] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:15] Srimathi Advt Mhc: the 1959 act is very clearly a contempt of Shirur Mutt inasmuch as the provisions struck down have been incorporated
[6/14, 11:16] Srimathi Advt Mhc: but as regards Hinduism it’s a free-for-all any1 can say anything and get away.
[6/14, 11:25] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:24] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Mam that is why I posted pope statement and the rule made in the cardinal. It is very unfortunate young advocates are mislead and flamed by responsible people. Tks
[6/14, 11:25] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 11:41] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:41] Chanduru Adv: It will be better if the UNION and STATES are SECULAR to the core
and non believers /non-practitioners don’t dictate terms for functioning of ANY Religious institutions for there are more urgent works like providing healthcare, education, employment, food safety, child welfare and State’s security etc..,
State privatises Health sector, Education and infrastructure leaving people at the mercy fleecing people, but retains liquor… This social order should first change.. in Constitutional interest.
[6/14, 11:41] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 12:04] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:58] Srimathi Advt Mhc: Infact sum1 had commented abt Sabarimala , the litigant himself was not a women also not a Hindu. Anyways was rather bemused that Jus. Nariman who is a Parsi and one of the authors in that case would have noticed that women in his community in addition to legal restrictions,  face restrictions in ritualized, religious spaces as well. One of the most notable examples of this is that women are often not allowed into the *doongerwadi* and other *sacred burial grounds* for Parsis throughout India.
[6/14, 12:04] Sekarreporter1: 🌹
[6/14, 12:10] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:09] Chandrasekar Kumar Associate: Sirs/madam. Why unnecessarily debating Sheshambal etc case, simply pass a law authorising that irrespective of caste, creed or religion or gender anyone can be Archakas in Temples (alone)
[6/14, 12:09] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 12:13] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:13] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Pass the law then law will take its own course..
[6/14, 12:13] Sekarreporter1: ..
[6/14, 12:17] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:13] Srimathi Advt Mhc: chandru we are lawyers and we shd nvr get emotional abt the issue. the point here is the Act of 1959 is a contempt of the Shirur Mutt case.
[6/14, 12:17] Srimathi Advt Mhc: We have much important things at present controlling Corona and limiting the spread. These issues are only going to divert us . as on date 23.4L have been affected 21.5L have recovered 29,280 deaths . This is the data as regards TN. I think we and the Govt and its Ministers shd worry abt this. The places of worship are closed anyways
[6/14, 12:35] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:24] Mohamad Rafic Eb: [6/14, 11:11] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Srimathi Advt Mhc: refer Shirur Mutt case
[6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: .
[6/14, 11:09] Srimathi Advt Mhc: The result, therefore, is that in our opinion sections 21, 30(2), 31,55,56 and 63 to 69 are the only sections which should be declared invalid as conflicting with the fundamental rights of the respondent as Mathadhipati of the Math in question and section 76(1) is void as beyond the legislative competence of the Madras State Legislature. The rest of the Act is to be regarded as valid. The decision of the High Court will be modified to this extent, but as the judgment of the High Court is affirmed on its merits, the appeal will stand dismissed with costs to the respondent.
Appeal dismissed.
[6/14, 11:10] Srimathi Advt Mhc: however Strangely once again the hr&ce 1959 was passed
[6/14, 11:12] Srimathi Advt Mhc: very interesting of Sri.rafic to observe seshammal case hopefully soon we will see female Kazi and Pope . Equally in all religions women should be treated equally and allowed to lead prayers
[6/14, 12:29] Mohamad Rafic Eb: @ Srimathy….
No where in Quran (or in Bible also to my knowledge) women priest being restricted in performing religious prayers or from doing religious related pious work..
We are discussing about the Constitutional rights and freedom of women as Discussed orr decided by Supreme Court with respect to practices of all other religions including Hinduism and other in cases done so far by Supreme Court
[6/14, 13:17] Sekarreporter1: pls clarify Mr.rangarajan
[6/14, 13:17] Sekarreporter1: we are always willing to learn as to what misrepn u r talking abt
[6/14, 13:17] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:24] Mohamad Rafic Eb: [6/14, 11:11] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 11:06] Srimathi Advt Mhc: refer Shirur Mutt case
[6/14, 11:06] Sekarreporter1: .
[6/14, 11:09] Srimathi Advt Mhc: The result, therefore, is that in our opinion sections 21, 30(2), 31,55,56 and 63 to 69 are the only sections which should be declared invalid as conflicting with the fundamental rights of the respondent as Mathadhipati of the Math in question and section 76(1) is void as beyond the legislative competence of the Madras State Legislature. The rest of the Act is to be regarded as valid. The decision of the High Court will be modified to this extent, but as the judgment of the High Court is affirmed on its merits, the appeal will stand dismissed with costs to the respondent.
Appeal dismissed.
[6/14, 11:10] Srimathi Advt Mhc: however Strangely once again the hr&ce 1959 was passed
[6/14, 11:12] Srimathi Advt Mhc: very interesting of Sri.rafic to observe seshammal case hopefully soon we will see female Kazi and Pope . Equally in all religions women should be treated equally and allowed to lead prayers
[6/14, 12:29] Mohamad Rafic Eb: @ Srimathy….
No where in Quran (or in Bible also to my knowledge) women priest being restricted in performing religious prayers or from doing religious related pious work..
We are discussing about the Constitutional rights and freedom of women as Discussed orr decided by Supreme Court with respect to practices of all other religions including Hinduism and other in cases done so far by Supreme Court
[6/14, 13:17] Sekarreporter1: Indian Young Lawyers’ Association, an organisation that works for the welfare of lawyers and public, that was setup in 2003 and has  Naushad
 Ahmad Khan as its president
[6/14, 13:24] Sekarreporter1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/01/pope-francis-women-never-roman-catholic-priests-church
[6/14, 13:40] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 13:29] Chanduru Adv: Justice R. F. Nariman had spoken about a woman Pope Joan who was supposed to have lived in disguise as male, in his lecture about Great Women in the Justice Sunanda Bhandare Memorial lecture in April 2021🙏
[6/14, 13:40] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 13:41] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 13:24] Srimathi Advt Mhc: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/01/pope-francis-women-never-roman-catholic-priests-church
[6/14, 13:29] Srimathi Advt Mhc:  – al-Bukhaari (4425) narrated that Abu Bakrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No people will ever succeed who appoint a woman as their leader.” 
This hadeeth indicates that it is not permissible for a woman to hold a position of public authority, and leading the prayers is a position of public authority
[6/14, 13:45] Sekarreporter1: In Sabarimala Kerala left Party was very eager to use police to implement the court order
But in another dispute they are not ready to implement the court order 😀😃
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2020/dec/08/jacobite-orthodox-dispute-kerala-hc-directs-crpf-to-take-over-church-if-govt-fails-to-implement-2233584.amp
[6/14, 14:42] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 12:47] Mohamad Rafic Eb: 🙏🙏🙏🙏
[6/14, 13:52] Mohamad Rafic Eb: About Quoted Albukari …
Srmathi ji.
Pls wait…
Answer with correct meaning and context of your reference made in Albukari follows as little knowledge or making reference on any point from one corner us very much Dangerous in understanding the background of truth and reallity
[6/14, 14:42] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 13:47] Srimathi Advt Mhc: now I do know this is a long post on Nariman’s talk at Sunanda Bhandare but roughly what he obviously failed to understand of Hinduism and women
[6/14, 13:49] Srimathi Advt Mhc: exactly the Jacobite case. but I feel I spread of fanning the fires of hatred and creating unrest all govt wl do well to take care of more imminent and important things
[6/14, 14:46] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 13:49] Srimathi Advt Mhc: exactly the Jacobite case. but I feel I spread of fanning the fires of hatred and creating unrest all govt wl do well to take care of more imminent and important things
[6/14, 14:46] Srimathi Advt Mhc: the subject of discussion here is as regards Govt interference in Hindu temples. I have friends who are from all religion. I respect all religion and sentiments they hold. Feel should not digress on the issue. let’s stay focused
[6/14, 14:50] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 14:42] Mohamad Rafic Eb: 🙏
[6/14, 14:49] Mohamad Rafic Eb: This is about leadership and Governance in War…Administration..Goverment ..in holding public authority politically…

Because women were considered emotionally weaker than males in older times…
Now Remarkable changes have taken place even in allowing Muslim women to hold leadership positions..

Now practice changed allowing Muslim women to be pilots..Teachers and professors .. legilators.. Judges..Governors.
Presidents of Countries… Even in Police Force and unirformed services.
Muslim women are now Religious Scholars and they are encouraged even in Quranic times…
[6/14, 14:50] Sekarreporter1: @ Srimathy
[6/14, 14:50] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 14:50] Mohamad Rafic Eb: @ Srimathy
[6/14, 14:50] Mohamad Rafic Eb: 👍
[6/14, 14:51] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 14:50] Mohamad Rafic Eb: @ Srimathy
[6/14, 14:50] Mohamad Rafic Eb: 👍
[6/14, 16:02] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 13:41] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: In Sabarimala Kerala left Party was very eager to use police to implement the court order
But in another dispute they are not ready to implement the court order 😀😃
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2020/dec/08/jacobite-orthodox-dispute-kerala-hc-directs-crpf-to-take-over-church-if-govt-fails-to-implement-2233584.amp
[6/14, 15:00] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: https://scroll.in/article/951654/muslim-law-board-says-women-are-free-to-pray-in-mosques-but-most-women-have-been-told-the-opposite

This is the reality of Muslim sisters….
[6/14, 15:41] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Just Now sister LUCY sacked from kerala church for exposing the rapist father. Everyone is commenting on Hindu Women and their rights. Which is well taken care. Let us see what will these people say on this. They will keep quiet and talk about temples. Irony..
[6/14, 16:29] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 14:52] Mohamad Rafic Eb: 🙏🙏🙏🙏
[6/14, 16:20] Mohamad Rafic Eb: This is the reality of Muslim sisters….
[6/14, 15:41] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: Just Now sister …. ….Everyone is commenting on Hindu Women and their rights. Which is well taken care. Let us see what will these people say on this. They will keep quiet and talk about temples. Irony..

@ Jaganathan

The irony is poor understanding of the truth and reallity …
In Tamilnadu most of the mosques allow Muslim women for prayers..
May be in some mosque with screen partition for their personal privacy …
In my native village we have mosques allowing Muslim women to enter mosque for prayers along with males…

In Mecca All muslm women are allowed inside even during Haj pilgirimage and Umraah pilgirimage along with males without any restrictions….

Moreever we are here on Constitutional issues relating to Equality and Gender Discrimination that would protect all women from all religions .
We are not on any particular religious practices or about any particular way of implementation of policies of Government… ..

Morever we are on the selective intepretation of some particular issues only by the three organs of govt …

Again I emphasis Our Constitution is Supreme and we all respect and regard our Constitution…
However the Supremacy of Constitution i
Will be preserved as long as the three organs of the State respect the Supremacy and its preamble and Part 3 of our Constitution
[6/14, 16:29] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 16:26] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: “Continued detention necessary:” Delhi High Court cancels bail granted to Shivinder Mohan Singh in Religare Finvest EOW case | https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/delhi-high-court-cancels-bail-shivinder-mohan-singh-religare-finvest-eow-case
[6/14, 16:29] Advt K. JAGANNATHAN: [West Bengal Post Poll Violence] 60-year-old, 17-year-old move Supreme Court alleging rape by Trinamool Congress workers for supporting BJP | https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/west-bengal-post-poll-violence-women-supreme-court-rape-trinamool-congress-workers-support-bjp
[6/14, 19:42] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 19:41] Kumarasamy Mhc Advt: By your channel I requested the Highcourt Register(Administration) to allow the Advocates Vehicle to park in the parking areas and enable them to reach their office nearby Highcourt.Since very congested in the outside parking.
[6/14, 19:42] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 20:02] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 19:58] Chellapandian Mhc Advt: It is highly shocking that judge has allowed the writpetition,though he aware of the power of Art 266.
[6/14, 20:02] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼
[6/14, 20:27] Sekarreporter1: [6/14, 20:13] J Vasu Govt Advt Central Govt Standing: Sir,today Honble HC CJ bench advised good things to provide food to animals is welcome one.Another request from the past 13 months due to covid 19 pandemic morethan 300 advocates are died and several advocate brothers and sisters are suffering to survive their day to day life.Our Honble High court also take a steps to provide a relief to all advocates from state govt and give some monetary financial relief to all .In my conscious i am watching all the directions and advise remarks to the state govt and public and officials to do their duty in these pandemic situation is correctly monitored but no one in Judiciary side think about advocates to get relief through loan from Nationalised bank to the advocates after repaying the amount after this pandemic situation is reduced to start EMI when the situation is normal but Our Honble court is never given any order after filing petitions by Our Ld.Senior Counsel Dr.Chelliah and other advocates.All in Judiciary andHC staffs are getting monthly salary without any reduction even this pandemic period but they insisted and passed suomoto order against advocates without any consulting the Bar Associations is not correct and unethical manner to threatening the advocates and spoil their life and many of them now is in very pathetic condition. Both Bar and Bench is smooth manner then only justice deliver system to deliver justice to the society otherwise entire system is ruining slowly in the future.Each one of Advocates and Judicial side have a duty to protect our Judiciary and paramount consideration to deliver and give justice to the common man in this country .This is from each and every advocate expectations.we hope a better things will happen in future.
[6/14, 20:25] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼

[6/14, 12:27] Rangarajan Trichy: Srimathi Advocate must do her homework before misrepresenting about a case in the Hon’ble Courts.
[6/14, 12:34] Sekarreporter1: 🙏🏼

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